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who gave me this honor, the fact that bill o'reilly joined me in receiving it takes away none of that honor. in his own way, he too deserves recognition. that's hardball for now thanks for joining us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. good evening from new york, the dust has settled after the special election in florida's 13th district. we learn what the results of the first race of the year tell us. obama lost, the democrats lost any chance of taking the house, that republicans will clean up in the midterms, or maybe we learned something else. maybe we learned how fraudulent the entire conservative uprising of the obama careers has been since the beginning. >> folks, i got very good news
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tonight. no more commercials. >> last night, david jolly won a congressional special election in florida, defeating alex sink. and ushering in predictions of doom for the democratic party this november. if you want to know the meaning behind jolly's answer, the answer is hiding in plain sight. >> to pay for obama care, washington is forcing seniors to endure deep cuts to obama care. cutting medicare by $716 billion. >> that ad was paid for by the chamber of commerce, the very same chamber of commerce who last year launched an initiative to reform our entitlement. >> we need to fix these programs, because if we don't they will consume every dollar the government collects. >> that came better ad attacking
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alex sink was not special to florida's 13th. in fact, ads like that have been central to the conservative message in the obama era. because the only thing republicans love more than attacking entitlement spending is attacking democrats for cutting medicare, one of the largest drivers of the long term deficit. since the tea party perfected this strategy, conservative big money donors have run ads attacking democrats and the president for cutting medicare. >> does it make you mad tammy baldwin voted to cut $716 billion from medicare? >> berra supports pelosi's plan to cut $716 billion from medicare. >> $500 billion in cuts to medicare. >> cuts 500 billion from medicare. >> cut medicare by 500 billion. >> it's not just outside groups, it's paul ryan, whose 2012 budget cut projected government
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spending by almost $6 trillion over the next decade. ryan attacked democrats again and again for cutting medicare. >> when i think about medicare, it's not just a program, it's not just a bunch of numbers, it's what my mom relies on. the president raves, $716 billion from the medicare program to pay for the obama care program. >> and the reason republicans are disingenuously attacking democrats for cutting billions in government spending while railing against government spending is because the difference between the two parties is not about small and big government, it's about who benefits from government. in defending medicare spending, republicans are just looking out for their base. the older whiter demographic who tend to come out to vote in nonpresidential elections.
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the people who do not want to give up their medicare thank you very much. so if the gop wants to shrink government while preserving entitlements for its base, they have to look at programs that aren't associated with that base like voting to slash food stamps by $40 billion over 10 years, embracing the sequester which cut money from government housing programs, now they're even railing against the free school lunch program. because republicans need to squeeze those programs so their base has as much money as it needs. >> joining me now, msnbc senior political analyst david axelrod, current director of the university of chicago politics. this hustle has been run since 2010 and it drives me nuts that no one seems to pick up on it. i imagine you and the people around you in the white house and in the democratic party over the last four years have been seeing exactly what they've been doing? >> yeah, well, in fact, you know, mitt romney tried to run
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that at the president in 2012 and we were able to push back on that, i think the important thing is to be aggressive in response. i'm glad that you raised congressman ryan, because as you know, his plans for medicare were really draconian, so much so that the republicans in the house had to walk away from it, and in his budget he kept the same 700 plus billion that he was complaining about for medicare advantage and so on. the hypocrisy is really unbelievable. >> and we just had this a little flashpoint in this battle where some of the medicare advantage cuts were changes to the medicare advantage payment methodology. republicans successfully demagogued the white house into backing away from that in the last week. >> yeah, i tell you what, any candidate who faces us ought to be pretty quick to point out that the republicans want to repeal the medicare prescription
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supplements that were in this affordable care act. they want to take money away from seniors for prescription drugs. so there are some pretty good and solid hits back, one thing about this race, though, that is worth noting, it is a source of concern, as much as the issue itself, and that is turnout in this election. this election was -- the composition of the electorate was 13 points in favor of the republicans in terms of party registration, that's three points more than in the last midterm election, we -- it's eight points more than in 2012 when the president carried the district by one point. the notion that this was a swing district in this election wasn't quite true, if democrats are going to hold their own, democrats have to figure out a way to get turnout up. >> you took the words right out of my mouth. in terms of the decline, you got a 46% dropoff from the 2012
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election, and 21% in terms of 2010, the number of people showing up, you are a political strategist of some renowned talent. what's the solution. >> well, i think there are a number of things. one is, that we have to apply some of the technology and some of the approaches that we use to get up, turn out in battleground states and really use analytics and research to identify where our voters are, to communicate with those people who we think we have the best chance to motivate. point number two for all this talk about how the president is radioactive, in many of the states that are in contention particularly in the senate race and the south, the ability to motivate minority voters is going to be very, very important. and using the president, the first lady and others surgically to increase that turnout is going to be very important. i think we have to go at them, i don't think i should be on our
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hind legs on health care, i don't think we should let them define that fight, we should go at them on minimum wage and some of these economic issues that go right to the heart of people's pocketbo pocketbooks. we ought to talk directly to women who are very receptive to the democratic message, there are a series of things we have to do, this should be a warning sign that if we don't change the nature of turnout in the fall -- >> that's it. >> we're going to have a big problem. >> that is the game. whether we're going to see -- it's the 2008 and 2012 electora electorate, that is the story of american politics at the national level. david axelrod, thanks so much. >> good to be with you. >> joining me now, anna greenberg. we have some new nbc wall street journal polling out today. lots of parsing on issues, favorability, tea party, is the president popular? this was the single most result, i think it bears on florida 13,
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now on every race. is the united states in a recession right now? >> 57% of people say yes think about this for a second. the recession end in june of 2009. we are three and a half years out, and the majority of people are saying, i am not feeling like the recession is over? >> that's what i'm hearing, whether it's arizona or texas or wisconsin. and the issue is that coming out of this recession, if we are indeed out of the recession, people see certain macro indicators suggesting things are getting better. day to day, they don't feel better, for a number of reasons, the cost of living still continues to go up, and the price for daily expenses like groceries for example has gone up since the beginning of the financial collapse. people who have lost their jobs and now have new jobs, those jobs tend to pay less. they're people who have maybe the same amount of money, but
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they're working two jobs, they have to figure out how to pay for child care or other kinds of expenses that pay for transportation. people come out of the recession seeing that the media talks about the economy getting better, they see people at the top doing very well, they feel terrible and feel like it's the new normal, like it's not going to get better. it's a malaise. >> that feeling of new normal, the feeling that things are broken has been both in some ways sinically aided by republican intransigents at the national level. you say everything is bad, and the president's screwing around with obama care is basically the message. >> they can say we spent all this money, whether it's tarp which was bush. cash for clunkers and things haven't gotten better. not only did we have an economic collapse, government spent a lot of taxpayer dollars and it didn't get any better. >> what's striking to me is that there doesn't seem to be a connect of voters punishing the congress, for something as
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discrete and simple as defending unemployment insurance. they're showing up, my life isn't better. you look at the policy land scape, you have republicans filibustering an extension of unemployment insurance for people who are like them. and there is no political connect. there's no price to be paid for that politically. >> the level of cynicism and isolation from washington is so high, if you look at the brand of both the parties they're so low. you look at the generic congressional vote, the undecided vote is going up, usually the undecided goes down, as you get closer to election day. the number of people who identify as independents goes up, and it's a deep alienation from both parties. when you spend a gazillion dollars in both races, people think it's terrible and they tune it out. you have the brand of the parties arguably -- the republican brand is way worse than the democratic brand.
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the democratic brand is not great. people tune it out and no one cares about us. >> i think everyone has been a little hoodwinked by a come servetive con, which is that everything is about obama care. you can talk about obama care, at the end of the day, are people asking themselves, is my life materially better? do i feel hopeful about my future? and in the long period of economic ruin and destruction caused by the wall street crash, the answer very often is no and continues to be no for this day. and that is the chief driver of our politics. >> thank you. >> thank you. a tantalizing new possible clue in the search for the missing malaysian airlines flight 370 late today. these satellite images were taken near the last known location of the plane. i'll explain what they could mean ahead. in the ground, feed it, and care for it, don't we grow something more? we grow big celebrations,
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coming up, when you hear the words innercities, what do you think that means?
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when you hear paul ryan say it, what do you think he means? >> we have got this tailspin of culture in our innercities in particular, of men not working -- >> i'll offer some possible theorys ahead. are you still sleeping? just wanted to check and make sure that we were on schedule.
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amid the fight the cia spied on the committee's staffers, what that means, is that the position of the top lawyer to the cia will continue to be occupied by a man of the name robert ettinger. oddser, you've never heard of robert ettinger, and you're not alone. it is worth explaining this man's record. do you remember this headline? we would later learn the chief of the cia's clandestine branch ordered the destruction of 92 videotapes of enhanced interrogation or what i refer to as torture. tapes of torture, torture tapes. torture is a crime under american law. these tapes were plausible evidence of the possibility of those crimes having been comm committed so the cia wanted to get rid of those tapes, they asked their lawyers, basically,
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is it cool if we destroy videotapes of us torturing someone? jose rodrigez, the man who would destroy those tapes, received legal guidance from two cia lawyers that he had the authority to destroy the tapes and the destruction would violate no laws. on that advice, he ordered the tapes destroyed. one of the lawyers who gave that advice was robert ettinger, the man who is right now the cia's acting general counsel. and so the cia destroyed those tapes, when this became public, people went appropriately apoplectic. and an investigation was precipitated, the investigation that is now being fought over. now robert ettinger is representing the cia as it goes to war with the senate intelligence committee, to try to possibly interfere with the release of that same report. not only that, this is a man who is bound up with the entire torture regime, served in the agency during that time, shows up in the report, the committee
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is preparing 1600 times, according to the committee's chair woman senator dianne feinstein. yesterday, dianne feinstein went out of her way to call out ettinger though stopping short of mentioning him by name. >> i view the acting counsel general's referral as a potential effort to intimidate this staff, and i am not taking it lightly. from mid-2004 until the official termination of the detention and interrogation program in january 2009 he was the unit's chief lawyer. he is mentioned by name more than 1600 times in our study. and now this individual is sending a crimes report to the department of justice on the actions of congressional staff. >> keep in mind at the heart of all of this is an investigation
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into torture programs shuttered by president obama when he came into office. and years later, the lawyer who says is intimidating her committee, is the same lawyer who gave the green light to destroying tapes showing that torture. joining me now, liza goiteen, i can't really believe that this is the case. it seems to me at the very least, this lawyer needs to recuse himself from anything having to do with this report? >> well, that's certainly would seem to be one possible solution, in that it doesn't look good, it looks very much like retribution on this lawyer's part for a report that made the agency look bad and made him look bad. but i think it would be a mistake to focus too narrowly on that one person. this is not just a personal vendetta of one man. john brennan has vocally defended the cia and has implied there may be some criminal conduct on the part of
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intelligence committee staff. this is really a clash between institutions, the cia and the senate committee that oversees it. >> the big question is, these institutions do not exist in the vacuum. we have the executive, the white house, it presumably is what controls the central intelligence agency. here was president obama giving comments today about this brewing battle, take a listen. >> the first day i came into office, i ended the practices that are subject to the investigation by the senate committee. and had been very clear that i believe they were contrary to our values as a country. with respect to the issues that are going back and forth between the senate committee and the cia, john brennan has referred them to the appropriate authorities and they are looking into it, and that's not something that is an appropriate role for me and the white house
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to wade into at this point. >> i was struck by the language, not appropriate for me and the white house to wade into at this point. what do you think about that? >> well, that's always what the white house and the department of justice actually say publicly when they're asked about any matter that is in anyway in litigation or under investigation. they say it's not appropriate for them to comment while it's in its investigation. and that's not strictly true. i mean, there are things that the president could be saying about this clash between these two institutions and he has been notably receipt sent. >> what do you think that is about? it seems to me that we have seen since basically since the president came in, there was a huge amount of institutional push back from the cia toward him and his institution, there was lots of reporting behind the scenes, the team going out of his way to aswathe the cia. this seems like a continuation of that trajectory.
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>> it does seem that way. we've seen the president in lock step with his intelligence community in lock step with the senate intelligence committee, and this is really the first time that we've seen daylight, a good deal of daylight between the intelligence committee and the agencies that the committee oversees or at least one of those agencies. so i'm sure that the president is extremely reluctant to have to choose sides on this. and from his perspective, the less he says the better. >> where does this go next? >> well, there is an investigation that's ongoing, and i'm sure that there will be -- that certainly you'll hear from john brennan, from the president that everybody should reserve judgment, and nobody should be talking about this until the investigation is over. but i don't think that the senate is going to let that happen. the members of congress are going to let that happen. senator udall has already placed a hold on the confirmation of the new general council for the cia, and there are other measures congress can take to
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make things pretty hard on the administration, i don't think this is going to lie quiet. >> dianne feinstein can read as much of that report into the congressional record as she pleases. thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up, the latest on the mysterious disappearance of that malaysian airliner. >> a colorado company has deployed two satellites over the search area. already more than half a million people have looks at the images tagging anything that looks like a clue. so, the website has crashed. >> a line buried in a new york times article that will blow your mind about the pentagon's involvement in the search. there's a lot of news to get to on this story tonight, we'll bring it to you next. salesperson #1: so again, throwing in the $1,000 fuel reward card
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new clues and more questions in the baffling disappearance of the malaysian jetliner that disappeared five days ago with 239 people on board. three large shapes floating in the south china sea. the largest of which was estimated to be 79 feet wide by 72 feet long. the images were captured near the last known location of the beijing bound aircraft which lost contact with air control about an hour after departing
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kuala lumpur. at this hour, there's no confirmation from the chinese government or anyone else that these images are wreckage from the missing jetliner. senior u.s. defense tell nbc news they have no information on the chinese satellite imagery. malaysian authorities continue to offer conflicting and confusing information as anguished families of the missing try to hold out hope. last night we reported that malaysia's air force chief told a newspaper that military radar had picked up the flight off the western coast of malaysia, suggesting the flight had taken a sharp left, radically veering off its flight path. that official released a statement today denying those comments, even though they had been confirmed by high ranking military officials. and then at a press conference that same official said previously undisclosed military radar had indeed detected something in the area. a region called the malacca straight to the west of
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malaysia. it may not have been the missing plane. the steady stream of inconsistent and conflicting information has generated arranger abhong the families of the missing. the video made public today showed some of them throwing bottles at airline officials. most of the missing are from china, asked whether the malaysian military was hiding anything on purpose. today also brought the release of a letter from an oil rig worker who claims he saw the plane burning at high altitude when his rig was off the coast of vietnam far to the east of the missing airliner's flight path. officials checked the area and found nothing. u.s. officials say their satellites have not seen anything to corroborate a midair explosion at the time of the airliner's disappearance. malaysia's officials have
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expanded the search area to 27,000 nautical square miles. there are 42 shifts, 29 aircraft in 12 countries, since the flight had about seven hours of fuel upon takeoff, the area the flight could have reached without running out of fuel, at least in theory, is larger than the search area. amid all this, the families of the victims are still waiting for some sign of what may have happened to their loved ones. >> there is no use -- it's just disappeared off the face of the earth. and if we could just find some wreckage or something, it would be a help probably about. >> joining me now, nbc news security expert greg fife. the china images, it's hard to know what to make of them. >> it looks like it's been pixel
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ated or blurred. that may be intentional by the chinese government so they don't give away their capabilities or fidelity of the image. when you look at this blurred image, it's hard to discern whether it is an aircraft part or a conglomeration of something else. earlier, a couple days ago, they found what they thought was a life raft or a door, and it came off a shipping container. >> that's why there's been a lot of caution, any time there seems to be some clue, it's not been the case. as an amateur watching this, watching the kind of information coming out, get retracted, seem to come out again, watching the expansion of the search area, my amateur opinion watching this is, they have no clue or they are hiding something. what is your professional opinion? >> i think that we here in the united states have become very transparent, we've been used to being very transparent when it comes to giving information about an accident.
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we were giving press conferences, the ntsb was, giving a lot of information, the rest of the world doesn't do that, in this case, i know at the beginning of the investigation, they were cautious, they were really matching their words to make sure they were doing the right things, now, i think that because the eyes of the world are on them, every time they say something, they've been scrutinized. they have multinational people participating. the chinese are upset about the process now as are others. >> we don't know this fundamental question. can we show the radius? that is what's heart sinking about this situation. it's just a massive amount of area to be covered for this flight at this point. if they don't know anything about its trajectory at the time it possibly went down, it seems like that's a hopeless amount of space to search. >> it is. it is a daunting process. and now with the chinese providing this image, all of a sudden they have to make a decision, do they take the assets they were going to use to
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move to the new search area. and go back to the old search area, there's been searching for the first two and a half days, in the area where the chinese say the debris of possibly the airplane is, how did they miss it, when they were there for the first two and a half days. >> can i ask you a question that people have been asking themselves but it maybe seems ridiculous. is there any hope this thing landed somewhere? any hope at all? is that possible? >> i think the key word is, did it land? it could have landed, it could have crash landed, it could have crashed which would be a landing. i doubt it landed some place where the pilot put it down, they came to a stop, everybody got off the airplane and they hid the airplane. this is a large aircraft. i mean, to go unnoticed would be impossible, i would believe. >> the transponder being off, a lot of people suggested that maybe that suggests either some kind of affirmative decision by someone in that crew or some kind of electrical situation
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where depressurization -- any of those read to you as possible? >> there's two transponders on this airplane. they're independent of each other. you could have one that totally failed but you have a backup. the fact that neither transponder is providing information to atc, which is specific to that airplane, it identifies the airline tag, the fact that both of them were not providing information, suggests possibly an electrical failure, but not possible really because of the circumstances and the fact that there had to have been some other level of guidance once that airplane made this very sharp left hand turn and flew for an hour and a half, it's probable it was intentionally disabled. >> highly probable it was intentionally disabled. thank you. when the book bill o'reilly co wrote about abraham lincoln was released, there were reports it wasn't going to be sold at the theater where abraham
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with zach galifianakis on between two ferns. >> did you hear of the affordable care act? >> yeah, i heard of it, that's the thing that doesn't work. >> that appearance caused all kinds of consternation from conservatives. bill o'reilly found the whole thing unpresidential. and as a guy who co wrote a book about lincoln, if he says lincoln wouldn't have gone on an internet comedy show, he would know, or would he? historians stepped forward and said, one of abraham lincoln's defining features was odd. he was fond of jokes anecdotes and stories. he loved to hear them, and tell them himself out of the supply
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even thinking about working or learning the value and the culture of work, there's a real culture problem here that has to be dealt with. >> there are just a couple things that need to be addressed here, this cultural tailspin where men don't work -- did you notice how paul ryan sees this manifesting in our innercities in particular? what do you think he means by innercities? >> here's my question, who are the ladies? >> we're the ladies. >> i'm not the ladies. >> yeah, you're the ladies. >> no, that's a little far from the center of the city, maybe when he says innercity, he's talking about something closer to midtown like this? >> in publishing you need two things, a tough hide and a dry martini. >> martinis in the morning, is it allowed? >> only in absolute emergencies.
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>> maybe he's worried about the declining culture of this innercity. >> my mind -- this gypsy trash will not have anything near and dear to my heart. >> how about this innercity? >> george, stick 'em up, these german tourists, pretend i'm robbing you. >> why? >> so this group of people can go back home and tell their friends they saw a real new york mugging. >> this is the innercity paul ryan's words call to mind. >> omar. >> omar. >> omar coming. >> omar. >> what innercity means is among poor black and brown people or
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my colleague congressman ryan's comments are a thinly veiled racial attack and cannot be tolerated. when he says innercity, and culture, these are code words for what he really means, black when you swap out black and brown people for its obvious semantic culture, there's a culture of black and brown men who aren't thinking of working. there are shockingly high levels of unemployment in the innercities, i can think of a dozen, even a hundred reasons why without getting near the culture of work. you may have also noticed that paul ryan cited a man named charles murray. he covered a book arguing that white people are smarter than black people. i would call that a dodgy citation, but your mileage may vary. the real irony is that murray's latest book, argues the very
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cultural problem paul ryan is describing is rampant among working whites in this country. there are so many pieces of advice i have for paul ryan, who i would love to have on the show if you're watching, as he continues this poverty crusade of his. but the most important one is that he needs to stop talking about people who are poor, and start talking to people who are po poor. robert, am i being mean? am i being unfair, uncharitable to paul ryan? >> i think you're being a little bit uncharitable. i don't think that he is the first politician to use a slight of hand and say innercity as short hand for talking about issues of poverty and economic
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deprivation and so forth. i don't think he's trying to be coy. and i'll say this, i think paul ryan in particular, he's a protege of jack kemp who addressed more of these issue issues -- >> i don't want to give points for addressing, this is the soft -- >> i think the real point he was trying to get in here, is there is a cultural component to poverty and that is something by the way that charles murray looks at not just in terms of black poverty but white poverty as well. it's even something that the president alluded to when he was talking about the impact of fathers -- fatherless homes just last -- >> cultural component of poverty? >> i think it is a questionable
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line of argument given that we have -- the cause of poverty, we can look at the '70s, we can look at disinvestment and urban centers, we can look at industrialization, the globalization of labor. all of these are causes for high unemployment. particularly in communities of color, why are we going to cultural explanations given that they're very. we have these compelling explanations as to why, and i guess the bigger question is, why don't we talk about why there isn't work as opposed to this idea that people don't want to work. >> clearly people do want to work? >> there is not a culture that breeds poverty. it may be, poverty does breed reactions that one could argue are cultural in some respect. the causation is backwards for
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him. he's saying that the reason why people are poor in the innercity is because they have an idea they don't want to work. to the extent there's any ethic in any situation, it is a function of the poverty not a cause of the poverty. >> i mean, i would argue that they wouldn't necessarily say culture creates poverty, i think he would say certain cultural things can -- it can exacerbate it, make it difficult to -- make it harder to escape from, even recognizing that there are macro economic factors at play. >> i want to come back to this innercity language thing. he's not the only politician, it's widely used. i want to talk about that ahead. when your favorite food starts a fight, fight back fast, with tums. heartburn relief that neutralizes acid on contact. and goes to work in seconds. ♪ tum, tum tum tum... tums!
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you started out in 1954 by saying [ bleep ] by 1968 you can't say [ bleep ]. you say stuff like forced bussing, states rights and all that stuff. you getting so abstract you're talking about cutting taxes and all of these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites. >> that's an amazing clip of tape from lee atwater, instead of talking about how this sort of shift of meaning happening, the sort of use of racially encoded words, i thought this study on the effects of this was fascinating. a random half of respondents was asked if they supported locking up violent criminals. the other half was asked about violent innercity criminals.
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the word is doing something, here's my question for you. if you're paul ryan and serious about getting the gop on board, why be talking about the poor? the point is, there are poor republican folks in kentucky, poor folks in west virginia, poor folks in your base you could be talking about, as opposed to talking about those people in the innercity you drive past on your way to the stadium. >> i think the flip side of this is he could be talking that way, if you're paul ryan and you're somebody who is not talk iing jt to the republican base, which i think if you're starting to talk about poverty in a comprehensive way, he's speaking not just to his base, he's also talking to
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suburban moms. >> that's the key. >> but -- he's not doing that, i don't think he's doing that in a negative -- if he's doing that in a negative way, he would be starting to talk about, get tough on crime. >> that i agree with, i still think it's sympathy performance. >> right, i think you're right. i think perhaps we don't need sympathy, but rather opportunity. and there's a sense in which, you know, there's this kind of emotional component that's being drawn upon when we're not talking about what the issue is, which is the lack of opportunity and the lack of employment. lack of work, and also, employment discrimination is part of the cause. >> and again. >> it doesn't matter what -- >> i want to point out -- just a week or so ago, the president was making the same link between opportunity and culture. >> and amane weld at this table. >> my issue is not a partisan one, i think we have to be
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honest about what the landscape we're confronting, and in order to be honest about the landscape we're confronting, it's not about this racialized language, we have to tell a thorough story about why we see such vast inequality in a society that -- >> that's so persistent. >> i also think that, look, paul ryan has google and he knows that there's been a lot of research done on the way that people associate welfare with race. he knows that the dynamic changed in the 1960s where poverty, anti-poverty programs used to be associated with the individual farmer and the hero, and then all of a sudden became about the innercity, and -- during the time where there was a lot of turmoil in innercities, this became code words, he knows all this stuff. he may not be as craven about it as other politicians. i mean, to be charitable. but he's -- he knows what he's
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doing, he may be appealing to those soccer moms, but he's playing on some racial bias. and he knows that. he must know that, otherwise -- i have to give him a lot less credit than i would for intelligence. >> thank you all, that is all in for this evening, the rachel maddow show starts right now. >> thanks. thanks to you at home for joining us at this hour. the chinese state science and technology commission posted these images on a chinese government website. they are high resolution photos taken on march 9th. these images show what appears to be something floating in the south china sea, roughly here, in terms of the location of where those pictures were taken. because of the vague proximity of that

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